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CJ tio YJ and Shackle reversal

 
tkg1 tkg1
New User | Posts: 1 | Joined: 11/11
Posted: 11/13/11
04:02 AM

I have been looking in to what I am going to do to the CJ I have, and almost considered shackle reversal, I read a thread here about doing a cj to yj spring swap, in that thread they went over shackle reversal and someone said they talked to a Jeep engineer about it, and were told that they would have designed the jeep that way (reversed the shackles) in that thread someone said it was better for the cj off and on road, but during my research on it.
I have found otherwise, one of from this article looking for a yj conversion that was referenced in that thread (that is how I found that site to begin with, this does make sense, and brake ddive would be a major concern

http://www.rocky-road.com/wranglerconversion.html

"Some folks have asked us about shackle reverse kits when converting to the Wrangler springs....

We did used to carry such a system. However, we found that Jeep (along with Toyota and other vehicle manufacturers) put the shackles in the front in short-wheelbase 4WD's for a reason.... SAFETY.

Running shackles in the rear on a short-wheelbase vehicle like a Jeep CJ makes the vehicle highly unstable under hard braking (which is usually when you need your brakes the most). Further, shackles reversals on the CJ create axle hop under braking. After seeing a Jeep coming off of Lion's Back in Moab with his front axle hopping and a resultant total loss of control, we swore off shackle reversals forever.

Putting the shackles in the rear may seem like a cool way to go and you may read about smoother ride quality, but the bottom-line is that the vehicle becomes unstable and the ride quality of just using Wrangler springs alone with the shackles up front as they should be is as much comfort as any Jeeper could ever ask for. "

So all in all, the only "better" thing about going to reversed shackle would be a smoother ride over bumps, it would actually hurt climbing over rocks as it allows the spring to compress rearward, instead of forward (which aids in climbing over rocks) it hurts braking (allowing too much brake dive) and while stopping hard causes less control even off road,  so why would anyone even consider doing it at all? for a better off road ride? it looks like it only causes loss of performance on or off road to me.  

 
Christian Hazel Christian Hazel
Moderator | Posts: 664 | Joined: 11/06
Posted: 11/13/11
08:52 AM

Listen, without going too heavily into the science of it all, that's kinda b.s.

I've had a shackle-reversal in my hardcore flattie for almost 10 years now. I've never experienced front axle hop under braking despite some incredibly hairy descents on Moab slickrock, soil, and almost any other terrain you can think of.

A shackle-reversal will, indeed, nosedive more than a standard shackle-forward arrangement. But of all the shackle-reversed rigs I've driven it's nothing I'd consider dangerous - or even moderately more noticeable than a stock leaf-sprung Jeep suspension. "Highly unstable under braking?" False. It's kinda like saying lifting your Jeep will make it more prone to rolling. It's true, but you really have to push the envelope to find the point at which the negative attributes outweigh the advantages. Still, I can appreciate the company's reluctance to come out with a system. After all, any lawyer would gladly drag them into a court room if some bonehead has an accident with that system on his Jeep, even if it's not the underlying cause of the accident.

As for simply converting to YJ springs on your CJ and keeping the shackle-forward arrangement to "be in as much comfort as any Jeeper could ever ask for" - again, kinda b.s. If that were true, why would guys be selling shackle-reversal systems for YJs? My YJ rides like crap on the street. I've considered a shackle-reversal more than once for it as a fix.

I'd say go ahead and do the shackle-reversal. Just remember you'll need a longer-travel front driveshaft to keep the splines from separating.