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Rear RockCrusher or PreRunner bumpers
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Posted: 11/20/08 08:38 PM
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Ok, so all the lift I have is from the 2.25 spacers, and RE extended shocks, the kit says I can run a 33" tire, and I believe I could. But I was just looking at some tires online, and Question I have is about Super Swamper LTB, they have a 34/10.5/16. I was wondering since they are narrow like a 31/10.5/16 and I'm running the 16" pro comp 6089's 16x8 with 4 inch backspacing, Do you guys think I could swing that extra inch in height on my rig the way it is now??? Or would I have to bump up my height a little more with say a 1" body lift? The extra 1" of a 34 compared to the a 33" tire, doesn't seem like much in general, But I'm sure 1" when it comes to something like this, is Alot different when your talking jeeps and lifts and tires. A little feedback on this would be appreciated. I'm thinking I might be able to swing it being only 10.5 wide. You think I could or would I have to lift her up a little more with a body lift?
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mudb8-
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Posted: 11/20/08 09:14 PM
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they say you can't because it doesn't have bumpstops. you need 2" bumpstops for 33" tires up front, and what ever it takes to keep your shocks from bottoming out in the rear.... which puts your uptravel back to stock.
interco 34" tires are more like the average 35" tire.
I would leave the tires size near stock untill you put some gears in there.
here's an example of the size difference... the little one is a 33", the big on is my trXus (interco) 34" which BTW only have 10-12psi in em, inflated to 30psi they grow about an inch.
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Posted: 11/20/08 10:50 PM
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I understand what your saying, The kit I got came with 1 3/4- 2 inch bumpstop extenders in the rear but nothing for the front. The specs on this particular tire, say tread width 9.25, cross section 10.7, Diameter 33.6. I should have included that in the previous message. I'll tell you what tire I really like, I haven't read any reviews on it yet, but I like the nitto mud grappler. Looking on a site right now at a 33/11.5/16 it doesn't give me actual cross section or tread width but the diameter is only 32.7. Basically then I should stick to a 33 ? I think looking at your pics just made me want to join the big dogs. So with my lift, I could stuff that nitto under there and still have SOME travel? I went out and measured ground to rocker panel, and Ive got 22". and that is on 31's I do have other things To get for my Jeep before I jump to 33's cuz hell my tires are still 85-90% tread left. So I'm not planning to run out and buy tires, I just was wondering for later on. This saturday When I do some light wheeling I'll take pics, and I'll set up a homemade RTI ramp just for *** and giggles. what angle are rti ramps usually on? I'll try to get some good picks of what flex i'm capable of as it is now.
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Posted: 11/20/08 10:54 PM
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Sorry, another thing, Is a 1 inch body lift worth the time and money. Actually I believe I saw a JKS 1.25 body lift reasonably priced. Is that a good investment?
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mudb8-
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Posted: 11/20/08 11:47 PM
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now that shows ya just how low mine is.. an it's on 34's
lift height has nothing to do with the cross section of a tire that will fit, backspacing is the key there. if ya have 4" you can run 12.5" wide tires up to a 35" tall.
the mt's are all pretty much the same untill ya step up to a trXus mt. (sorry, I can't get over em, I've used all the rest) you can see the difference in it and a bfg mt right up there, along with the bfg's nittos don't have the lugs either.... which one do you think is better for mud?
a 1" bl is fine to use along with a mml it would give ya more suspension travel cuz ya won't need such long bumpstops up front.
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cgreenwood
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Posted: 11/21/08 12:58 AM
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Hey another thought on bumpers.............. for the front mine sits on top of the frame rail, this helps more than you would think on the rocks!
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Posted: 11/21/08 01:55 PM
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So MUD, you really like those tires huh? If ya had money in hand, and had buy new tires, would you buy the same ones? if not which would you buy? How well do those trxus wear on the road?
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ftgiles
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Posted: 11/21/08 05:43 PM
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Mud is partial to the Trxus tires and that's ok. They have a great looking sidewall.
But, if you're in the market for mud tires, you'd have to consider the new KM2's from BFG.
They are wonderful street tires, quiet, smooth, and don't take hardly any weight to balance them. You'd think they were AT's instead of MT's.
There are plenty of reviews out there as far as their off road manners. I don't think I've seen a bad one.
I was seriously considering the Trxus because of their looks and offroad ability, but have seen a lot of reviews that are so-so as far as street. Mainly, people have a problem with balancing.
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mudb8-
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Posted: 11/21/08 06:15 PM
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my next set will be trXus 37's no question about it.
I love the bfg's but they plain suck in the mud I play in and on. even in the snow they can't compare to the interco's, it has nothing to do with looks for me at all, I don't care how much wieght get's put on either. most of the problems or from inexperineced installers.
the center section of the trXus is borderline at/mt better on the ice, deep water than any a/t ever though of being, the outer lugs do all the work in the mud and digging in the hard slick, sticky clay, without the need for radical wheel spinning.... if ya start hollering about the two ply side wall, they are thicker than the 3ply mtr's are, I know this cause I've punchured a couple E rated mtrs on a pile of tree limbs. One of the burb tires got a pipe run through the tread on the hwy, my bro cut it up and made a baby swing with the 33" trXus.
I would agree the trXus isn't for picky people but if there's even a hint of wanting a ltb... you need the trXus and won't be happy with anything else.
I have a set of 33's on the 85 burb with about 20k on em, I expect to see close to 25k out of the 34's on the jeep, they get abused and torn up on the trails I run. most all of my pics are current, they are at 15k now. I also rotate in my 5th tire at every oil change.
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Posted: 11/21/08 06:32 PM
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AH, Ok. Here's the deal guys. I just placed my order for the JKS 1.25 body lift, I am going to order a motor mount lift as well to install at the same time but I have a couple questions. First off the JKS motor mount lift blocks, are roughly 60.00. but now JKS also offers Complete motor mount lift replacements (an all new motor mount all together, no lift blocks) I'm sure you know what i'm talking about, that one runs 30 dollars more, which should I go with? And now lift questions. So I have the 2.25 budget boost, with RE extended shocks. And now going with the 1.25 jks body lift, that at minimum should give me 3.5" if my math is correct. Now again my wheels are 16x8 with 4" backspacing. So now when the time comes I can clear 33"s easily, with room to travel correct? IS that what you would run? or would you try to stuff a 34 in there? Now I've told you how much I invested in my current lift/tires/wheels 750.00. the body lift is 125.00 free shipping, and the two different mm lifts one is 60.00 on is 85.oo either one the shhipping is the same like 8 bucks. So now that's going to put me up around 950.00 I've invested in lifts and tires/wheels. That's pretty good right? Do you think I made a wise decision ordering that body lift? HONESTLY , or would you have done something different. Let me know your honest opinions, and what I should have done, or if I did it right? thanks
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Posted: 11/21/08 06:36 PM
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Shoot, one more question, I'm positive my jeep is still running the factory steering stabilizer. The local auto parts carrys one made by monroe. Would that be fine, or should I opt for a brand name lift company. since the lift install and these tires, I am noticing some bumpsteer on pavement, Would that be why? do I need a new stabilizer? and again, should i just get it from my auto parts store, or should I order one. thanks.
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ftgiles
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Posted: 11/21/08 08:34 PM
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I run the JKS MML blocks. I used to have M.O.R.E bomb proof 1" riser motor mounts.
In my opinion, the stock motor mounts are the only way to go. They are huge rubber isolators. Most riser motor mounts use poly. The M.O.R.E bomb proof mounts use the stock control arm rubber bushing.
The 4.0L is not a smooth running motor. Replace the stock mounts with the poly ones, and you'll see what I'm talking about. They $uck big time. The M.O.R.E bomb proof mounts are a lot better for isolating than the poly mounts, but I didn't like the increase in vibration, so I changed to the JKS blocks.
The stock motor mounts are prone to wear. Maybe only 50k if you're tweaking it out on the rocks all the time. But, I'd replace the stock mounts with stock replacements with out question.
I still have the M.O.R.E bomb proof mounts if you want them, if you're not as picky as me. ($50 + shipping)
I think all the after market steering stablizers are considered heavy duty. So pick one.
I always recommend the Rancho because it has a free replacement, lifetime, no questions asked warranty.
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Posted: 11/21/08 09:07 PM
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So Giles, what you are saying is avoid the full motor mount replacement, and go with the 1" mm blocks? The M.O.R.E your talking about that is a full mount replacement correct? And what did you dislike about it? Did you say it caused motor vibes? So am I better off just getting the jks blocks? like you did?
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ftgiles
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Posted: 11/21/08 09:34 PM
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Yes the M.O.R.E mounts are a full motor mount. They don't cause vibrations, they do a poor job of isolating the vibrations from the chassis. The vibrations are caused by the motor.
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Posted: 11/21/08 09:47 PM
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So what am I better off to do? buy those from you, or just order the jks mml blocks? I don't want any extra vibes in my jeep either. Put those up on ebay, I'm sure you could easily get your 50 bucks. And what about my lift questions. 2.25 spacers, 1.25 body lift =3.5" of lift. would you run 33's or 34's ? .
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