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ftgiles
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Posted: 07/27/08 06:24 PM
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My opinion is buy OME 2" spings and OME long shocks, and don't buy any short arms.
New short arms get you nothing. The stock arms are strong enough for the most part. Unless you're bashing them on rocks.
The stock arms flex just fine and are only limited by the shock length and the binding with the other arms and track bar. New "flex" arms don't fix either issue.
Throw in a rear track bar extension bracket, some lowered bump stops and you're good.
Put on your 33x10.50 BFG Mud TAs and save for the next round of mods that build on what you've already got.
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mudb8-
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Posted: 07/27/08 07:14 PM
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LOL, thats mt Hood from the Goat mt. communication tower directly above clear lake.
the 34's fit just fine, before the 34" trXus made their way on there I has 35's on er... 315-75-16 Maxxis buckshots, it takes longer front bumpstops to keep the tires out of the fenders and just enough coil spacer to level the ride height. theres also a ton of other mods I've done to my suspension..
a note on the stock lowers... they are fine as long as ya stay off the rocks and away from stumps. they bend very easily so depending on what thickness replacements ya get there is one advantage to new lowers. pics later of the stock lowers off of my rubi.
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I replaced em with what I consider the strongest i could get... rancho, yep the ugly bridge arms. I haven't been able to hurt em more than scrape paint off of em so far... they also have huge poly bushings so there's no harsh ride
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the front uppers also are a problemed area if you do any hill climbing that requires a few tries and lots of hammering on the gas. mine got bent and twisted in half two days after it came home from the dealer. I couldn't find the pic of those..
the trackbar extension is another problem for a rig thats not gonna be a pavement princess...... the extra leverage had a hand in tearing the factory bracket off of the axle. it does have an advantage though, it keeps the trackbar as level as possible.
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nth degree has the prevention of trackbar bracket getting torn off
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ftgiles
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Posted: 07/27/08 07:55 PM
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To be fair, Mud has more fun than he should with what he's got. He needs a disclaimer, "Results not typical".
You can find take offs by the dozens at any 4x4 shop. They'll cost you next to nothing. Get a few extras when you see them laying around. Then go have fun.
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mudb8-
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Posted: 07/27/08 07:59 PM
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awe, common! mine just gets used LOL...
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mudb8-
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Posted: 07/27/08 09:00 PM
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here's a good one fastjeepwrangler came up with OME and JkS parts for 1200 you can use stock arms or the long arm of your choice for 35" rubber...
http://www.dpgoffroad.com/TJ_LJ_OME_Kits.htm
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ftgiles
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Posted: 07/27/08 09:17 PM
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Currie's BL uses aluminum spacers that don't compress like the JKS, so I might see if they would substitute since they sell Currie also.
And you need a TC shifter relocation bracket from Advance Adapters to work with the BL. The stock TC shifter linkage is connected to the body. When you lift the body the already crappy linkage gets worse. With the AA bracket, the TC shifter works better than stock.
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mudb8-
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Posted: 07/27/08 09:30 PM
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thats a good idea, theres also a shifter I ran across that elimiates the stock Z gate crap completely, I'll have to find the link
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mudb8-
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Posted: 07/27/08 09:37 PM
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found it,
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http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/novak_shifter/index.asp
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Posted: 07/27/08 10:00 PM
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listen to mudb and ftgiles they are telling you essentially you dont want to go past 3-3.5 inches of lift with a short arm, that includes any brand that you can find on planet earth. its the geometry that you will have to deal with, not the brand. do yourself a favor dont go past 3.5 inches of lift on a short arm kit if you want your jeep to act right when it comes to bumps and road manners
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ram07k
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Posted: 07/28/08 01:10 AM
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Out of these three companies, which do you guys think would be the best? Either rough country, procomp or super lift. these are all short arm kits?
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ftgiles
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Posted: 07/28/08 06:17 AM
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OME designs, builds, and tests springs and shocks. They design them specifically for the Wrangler. They are not just the right size to fit the Wrangler.
A lot goes into spring design if done correctly. And OME shocks are designed to compliment the springs. What you end up with is a really nice riding suspension.
OME is not a lift kit manufacturer. They are a spring and shock manufacturer.
The lift kit manufacturers for the most part are selling lifts. Not well tuned, nice riding systems. Why? Because that's what people want, a lift. Most of them throw in cheapo springs and shocks. It is highly competitive, and most people start, just like you have.
By looking at tire size first, then how much lift do I need for that tire, and then find that lift size for the most reasonable price. Making sure that your Jeep performs well usually comes after you've installed a lift, and it rides like... well, like cheapo springs and shocks.
Lift kit springs are mostly just longer and stiffer. They are not tuned or variable rate. They settle a lot and unevenly. And they sell well. You can't see how a spring works, so the color is important you know.
Lift kit shocks are really bad. They are the least expensive shock that can be found in a generic shock book, that happen to be the right length. It's the most felt part of the suspension and gets zero attention from the Lift Guys. They are usually valved for vehicles weighing 100s of pounds more than your Jeep. Like a full size truck, that carries a load.
If you don't listen to anything else, listen up about shocks.
Answer a question for us. What don't you like about the OME system that was posted?
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ram07k
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Posted: 07/28/08 03:41 PM
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Oh no I have nothing against the ome kits its just that Im purchasing everything from jc whitney and they dont sell that there.Nothing against what your telling me at all. What if i upgrade to these shocks? PRO COMP MX6 MONO TUBE ADJUSTABLE GAS SHOCKS or KYB® GR-2 TRUCK SHOCK ABSORBERS
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Posted: 07/28/08 03:55 PM
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why do you have to purchase the kit from jc whitney. there are 2 pros and me (not quite a pro yet) that are telling you that if you want to have the best ride and the best manners OME is the only way to go. dont go the cheap route. an old man emu 2.5 kit with a 1 inch body lift will run 33s no problem and still look great. ill add to what ftgiles said... OME is not a lift kit, it is a new suspension system. they make kits for light vehicles like jeeps, toyotas, and land rovers. these guys do it right they arent looking for height and shocks that they can produce for a penny a piece they are looking for how it performs.
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ftgiles
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Posted: 07/28/08 04:37 PM
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I don't know what the loyalty is to JC Whitney. Do you work there and get a huge discount? I never find anything at JC Whitney's that is the best price on the internet. Never.
Even if you get an employee discount, how much could it be to make getting the wrong stuff ok. You started out this thread with the notion that it must drive nice on the street, cause you drive it a lot on the street.
So the real question was "What's the best lift kit that JC Whitney's sells, cause I'm only buying from JC Whitney?" I'm not sure you'd get many thoughtful responses.
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Posted: 07/28/08 04:47 PM
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i second that i have yet to find something jcwhitney has that is a good price. ram you can find a good kit with out going the route of the popular kits. superlift skyjacker procomp and others are primarily truck lifts and dont design the kits specifically for jeeps. Rubicon Express Old Man Emu and Teraflex do, bottom line.
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